Duplicate Poker: It Removes All the Luck From the Game
A Duplicate Poker tournament, designed to circumvent the luck vs. skill debate that surrounds poker, took place earlier this week at the Cherokee Casino in Tulsa, Oklahoma. As in duplicate bridge, cards are set up so that each seat at each table gets identical hands, and the flop, the turn, and the river are the same. This removes any element of chance from the game, and rather than competing against the players at your table, you’re actually competing against the guys and gals at other tables who occupy the same relative seat position as you.
The field was limited to 100 tables, and included Linda Johnson, Chip Reese, Scotty Nguyen, and other poker notables.
Duplicate poker takes time to play because decks must be set for each hand, and chips counts revised so that each player begins each hand with the same number of tournament chips. Nevertheless, the concept offers a different slant on America’s favorite card game and seems like a natural for online play, if for no other reason than hand setting and chip distribution, as well as the somewhat complex scoring system, can be accomplished instantaneously by computer in way that it never can in a brick-and-mortar environment.
Duplicate poker may well ameliorate some of the legal questions existing in the United States and other nations that legislate against poker.
You can find more information about this game, and even give it a try, at http://www.e-pokerusa.com/website/
posted by Lou Krieger @ 7:39 AM
7 Comments:
"Duplicate Poker: It Removes All the Luck From the Game"
If taking that literally, I do not think it means what you think it means.
For example, suppose we are 10 handed, and you are at a table with 9 maniacs, while I am at a table with 9 rocks. Do you think that the cards being equal will mean that we will end up with equivalent amounts of chips if we both play our cards the same way?
If not, then what, other than the luck of the draw of whom you get seated with, determines the chips with which you wind up?
It is very unlikely that one table will have 10 rocks and another table will have 10 maniacs. In majority of cases the number of strong and weak players at various tables will be statistically the same, therefore having identical cards and same initial number of chips will make duplicate poker true game of skill.
It is very unlikely that you have at one table 10 rocks and at another table 10 maniacs. In most cases weak players and strong players will be spread statistically equal between different tables. Thus, having the same cards and same intial number of chips does makes duplicate poker true game of skill.
As well , the game is played over few sessions (2-7) , on every session the tournament system is re-seeding the players over the tables
I've been playing all week. Sometimes done well, sometimes not so much.
I've found that it tends to encourage a "go big or go broke" scenerio. Folding very weak hands like 10/3 off...9/4 off while the other table plays those hands have left me on the outside of more cuts than I can can count. Many maniacs, as someone else said.
All that, adding that you can see your rank compared to the other seats gets ants in your pants as it winds down and you're on the bubble. That's when the douche will play 9/4 off all the way to the river, catching 2 pair on a hand that I easily folded.
yeah, it's legal....but it sucks.
I deposited 25 and cashed out 40, but got out ASAP because I came upon my tiny fortune by mere chance. And I mean that literally.
Despite the statistics, Epoker/Duplicate constantly seems to pit people against uncomplementary opponents, at least in my case. Granted, I have a winning percentage, but good lord! It certainly feels like luck.
Also, when somebody takes a top prize in that tournament by being a brat and pushing every hand, say he has Q2 and he goes up against someone's JJ, and only on the river is there a queen. I am sitting with that same q2 and the board misses me completely, with undercards. JJ is not going to slowplay to the river. The skilled player is going to much q2 to a raise preflop or fold it to a bet on the flop, or try a bluff, but again, with undercards on the flop, JJ is going nowhere. By the end of the hand, when I look at the open rankings, my mouth drops when I realize skill did not predicate the "catching" of a queen. The queen on the river IS chance regardless of whether all of the hands are random and automated or premade and preloaded. There was no way for a skilled player to get around it. It made me sick and I probably won't be playing there much longer because it's a lie. A good-sounding one, but a lie.
Well I actually am up a bunch of money (took the free 3 bucks and times that by 100), ...BUT yes there is a problem. The game is horrible! There is less than luck in this game. The problem lies because after the first hand, all of the smaller stacks are desperate and push, push, push. Why not, they will be eliminated after the session if they dont catch up, it isnt like they have anything to lose. Live the game might work, but online it isnt a game of skill or even luck, though it is alot more luck than skill! Also think about collusion... YOU CAN SEE YOUR OPPONENTS HOLE CARDS, yes everytime. The same cards are dealt to every table... so no matter whether both (or all 3 or 4) of the cheaters accounts are at the able, the odds are very very high that they will be able to take down the hand. It works like this, 4 people at a table, one guy has 2 accounts in the tournament - well he is in seat 2 at one table and seat 3 at another. He knows half of the hole cards at the table! Seeing the flop it is damn easy to take advantage of opponents. No matter what the other guy in seat 2 or 3 does, he knows his cards, and now with the flop can make the correct action. The sick part is that even collusion isnt fool proof, because if you are at a table with rocks, you will lose anyways!! Thats right, you play perfectly, but the other players fold around to you after the flop, yeah you get the pot, but at the other table a maniac decides to take it all-in. Great the guy opposite of you doubles up while you take a 100 chip pot. He wins!! You can literally play perfect poker AND NEVER LOSE A HAND and you can still lose on this site. Again I have a bunch of money sitting in my account at this site, but really the aggravation isnt worth it. If you like roulette or keno give it a shot, you will love it! =p
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